MONTEREY BAY NATIONAL MARINE SANCTUARY
ADVISORY COUNCIL

Meeting Minutes

Friday, April 4, 1997
Monterey City Council Chambers
Pacific and Madison Streets
Monterey, CA 

The Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS) Advisory Council met on Friday, 
April 4, 1997 in the Monterey City Council Chambers in Monterey.  Public categories and 
government agencies present were as indicated:

Agriculture: Not Represented 				Diving: Ed Cooper
AMBAG: Katherine Beiers				Education: Dorris Welch
At Large: Karin Strasser Kauffman, Chair		Enforcement: Not Represented
At Large: Not Represented				Fishing: Not Represented 
At Large: David Iverson, Secretary			Ports & Harbors: Joe Townsend
Business & Industry: Steve Abbott			Recreation: Not Represented
CA EPA: Not Represented				Research: Greg Cailliet
CA Coastal Commission: Tami Grove		Tourism: Ed Brown
CA Resources Agency: Not Represented		U.S. Coast Guard: Dean Lee
Conservation: Not Represented			

The following non-voting members were present as indicated:

Monterey Bay NMS: Terry Jackson
Gulf of the Farallones NMS and Cordell Bank NMS: Ed Ueber
Channel Islands NMS: Not Represented
Elkhorn Slough NERR: Steve Kimple

I.	CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, APPROVAL OF JANUARY 17, 1997 MEETING 
	MINUTES

A)	Call to Order

The meeting was called to order by the Chair, Karin Strasser Kauffman, at 9:30 AM.

The Chair expressed concern about the quorum and requested that a letter, on behalf of the 
Council and with the concurrence of Sanctuary Manager, be sent to the supervisors of the 
Councilıs Enforcement Representatives.  Karin stressed that Sanctuary enforcement issues 
were an integral part of Council business and that attendance from the Enforcement 
Representatives should be more consistent.  By concurrence, the Council directed that such a 
letter be sent by the Chair.

B)	Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

The February 21, 1997 meeting minutes were approved as amended.


C)	Special Announcements

1) The Chair informed Council members that the California Fish and Game Commission was 
considering relocating its office from Sacramento to Monterey.  She had spoken with Senator 
McPhersonıs office which indicated that a letter of support from the Council would be helpful.  
Ed Brown moved to send a letter and the motion was approved unanimously by the Council.

2) During the Councilıs review of the SAC Correspondence provided in the meeting materials 
package, some discussion ensued regarding the letter dated March 14, 1997 from Elbert W. 
Friday, Jr., Assistant Administrator for Weather Services, NOAA. The letter was sent in 
response to the Councilıs December 12, 1996 inquiry about the proposed dis-establishment of 
several weather buoys located within the Sanctuary.  Many Council members commented that 
the response was not satisfactory.  

II.	PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA 

1) Bruce Keiser, expressed concern for Santa Cruz dredging practices and requested that the 
Council take the following action: a) exercise authority of the port commission to ensure that 
recommended steps are taken; b) that the long-term solution is addressed by the MBNMS; and, 
c) that this item is placed on the next meeting agenda so that the Council may review the 
process in more detail.  

2) Bill Denton, seconded the comments made by Mr. Keiser, adding that the dredge spoils 
were a health risk to residents and visitors in the area. 

3) Richard Gribbor, expressed concern over the dredging in Santa Cruz and the potential health 
risks.  Mr. Gribbor extended his compliments to Joe Townsend and the Ports and Harbors 
Commission for their willingness to address the issue. 

Action taken: 
… The Advisory Council supported the placement of this topic on the next meeting agenda, 
and Joe Townsend notified the Council that the Port Commission will be prepared to make 
a presentation on this subject at that time.  Tami Grove was also asked to prepare a 
statement for the next meeting, as the California Coastal Commission (CCC) is involved;
… The Chair asked Katherine Beiers to inform the Santa Cruz City Council of the Sanctuary 
Advisory Councilıs decision to place this topic on the next meeting agenda.
… Joe Townsend assured the Advisory Council and members of the public audience that the 
Port Commission will conduct a thorough investigation before the next scheduled dredge in 
October.  

4) David Zaches, read a prepared statement supporting the proposed Edward F. Ricketts 
Underwater Park.

III.	PRESENTATION OF FINAL SAC CHARTER AND PROTOCOLS

Following a detailed discussion concerning amendments proposed by the Sanctuaries and 
Reserves Division (SRD), the Council approved its new Charter and Protocols; although, with 
some reservations.  Three Council members -- Gregor Cailliet, Dorris Welch, and Ed Cooper -
- voted against approval of the documents.  Because of the serious nature of the concerns 
raised about the changes, Council members directed that a letter be addressed to SRD Chief 
Stephanie Thornton, explaining the Councilıs reservations as follows:


1) Council members were concerned about the suggested representation for the Research, 
Education, and Conservation working groups.  Unlike the other non-governmental seats on the 
Council, these three groups in particular represent organized entities which regularly meet and 
whose agendas always contain Sanctuary related topics.  The Chairs and Vice-Chairs are 
accountable to the groups and more consistently participate in the groupıs meetings and 
activities, making them able to more accurately represent the positions of their constituents on 
the Advisory Council than other, even general group, members would be able.  

On the other hand, the Council felt that selecting alternates for all non-governmental seats could 
lessen the efficiency of the Council.  Not only do alternates double the size of the body, but 
they also increase the chances for inconsistent representation and treatment of issues.

2) Council members were frustrated with the effect of the proposed changes in the language 
found on page 7, Conduct of the Council.  The new language suggested by SRD changes the 
original intent of the clause from encouraging Council members to take responsibility for 
adjusting how they approach their work, in terms of promoting and implementing interagency 
cooperation, to simply reporting to SRD.

3) Some Council members expressed disappointment that the final edit proposed by SRD took 
the ability to jointly determine the effectiveness of the Charter away from the Council.

4) Several members expressed dissatisfaction with the overall process followed by SRD in 
developing and revising the Charter and Protocols.  Of particular concern was the limited 
opportunity to discuss the reasoning behind different sections and proposed changes.  Fearing 
that this may be a symptom of a larger problem of general lack of communication between the 
Council and SRD, the Council has asked for a meeting with the SRD Chief to discuss the 
Charter, Protocols, and other issues.

Tami Grove urged a face to face meeting with SRD to discuss continued concerns about the 
relationship and treatment of the Advisory Council.  The Council concurred with the 
suggestion and directed the Chair to communicate this request in writing to SRD.

IV.	PROPOSED COASTAL LEGISLATION AND APPOINTMENT OF 
	TASK FORCE

Gary Shallcross from Assemblyman Fred Keelyıs office briefed the Council on legislation 
being introduced in the State Assembly and pertaining to Californiaıs coastal resources.  

The Chair, emphasized that there was a new recognition at various levels of government of the 
need to protect ocean resources.  Ultimately, the Council should try to speak with one voice on 
the legislation in the most powerful way possible.  In light of the numerous pieces of coastal 
legislation and the need to assure that proper channels are being followed by Council members 
when speaking to the issue publicly, the Chair established a Legislative Task Force and 
appointed several Council members to serve on it.  The purpose of the Task Force will be to 
review legislation, educate the Council, and make recommendations to the Advisory Council 
with regard to pros and cons of proposed bills.

Council members appointed to the Task Force were: 

	Steve Webster			Dave Danbom
	Brian Baird			Rachel Saunders
	Tami Grove


Non-Council members appointed to the Task Force included:
… Caroline Pomeroy, Research Activity Panel Member; a Professor at University of 
California, Santa Cruz; and a Professor at the University of California, Monterey Bay.
… Ann Notthoff, Senior Planner for the National Resources Defense Council in San 
Francisco.

V.	PRESENTATION: TREE-FISHING PRACTICES IN THE MBNMS -- 
	SPECIAL GUEST, BOB HARDY, CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF 
	FISH AND GAME (CDFG)

Bob Hardy briefed Council members on the type of fishing commonly referred as ³tree-
fishing,² or ³Portuguese long-line fishing² and the CDFGıs efforts to determine the impacts on 
local fish populations.  The practice targets the live fish market which is more lucrative and 
allows fishermen to fish in very shallow waters reducing the risk of lost gear or fish.

CDFG studies reflect that more than half of the number of Cabazon landed at the markets from 
this style of fishing are immature.  Although the statistics were better for rock fish populations, 
the size of the fish remains a concern.  

Council members asked how they could be most effective in helping to protect the fish stocks.  
All agreed that a more pro-active approach needs to be taken on the issue so that it doesnıt 
reach the crisis stage.  One suggestion was to include the issue in some of the coastal 
legislation currently being considered; in particular, the Sea Life Recovery Act authored by 
Assemblyman Keeley.  

The Chair concluded the discussion by requesting that the CDFG bring back to the Council 
specific and practical recommendations for measures which the Advisory Council could request 
be incorporated in legislation.

SURPRISE PRESENTATION:

Ruth Vreeland presented the Council with a Proclamation Recognizing the Monterey Bay 
National Marine Sanctuary Advisory Council on Celebrating Its Third Anniversary from the 
Mayor and City Council Members of Monterey.  A copy of the proclamation is attached.  (See 
Attachment A). 

VI.	PROGRESS REPORT: VESSEL TRAFFIC STUDY -- WORKSHOP 
	OUTLINE AND TIMELINE

Terry Jackson provided a report on the status of Vessel Traffic workshops.  To date, there 
have been three meetings with the Coast Guard in preparation for the workshops.  Terry 
explained that the plan was to bring together all of the stakeholders to consider the options 
presented in the VTS studies currently available.  The workgroup will prepare a set of options 
to present at public workshops as well as serve as a panel of experts during the sessions.  Once 
the workshops are completed the workgroup will re-convene to incorporate the public input.

The first workgroup meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, April 28, at the Executive Inn in 
Alameda.  The public workshops should take place later in the year.  The Chair clarified that 
the Advisory Council is on record for having requested that action be taken and that they 
receive and be involved in regular progress reports on the process.


VII.	REVIEW AND APPROVAL: 1996/97 SAC ANNUAL REPORT

The 1996/97 Sanctuary Advisory Council Annual Report was approved as amended.  Copies 
will be forwarded to SRD with cover letters from the Sanctuary Manager and the Advisory 
Council Chair.

VIII.	REPORT: CALIFORNIA AND WORLD OCEANS CONFERENCE

The Chair reported on the California and the Worlds Ocean Œ97 Conference.  A noteworthy 
outcome of the event was a publicly stated commitment to start giving ocean issues long 
overdue attention.  The MBNMS was referred to several times as an example of successful 
coastal zone management.  Karin remarked that the conference was well organized, interesting, 
and informative.  A number of Advisory Council members, Sanctuary staff, and working 
group members presented papers.

At the recommendation of the Chair, Advisory Council members agreed to send a letter of 
congratulations to Brian Baird and Melissa Miller-Henson for their outstanding work 
organizing the conference. 

IX.	SANCTUARY MANAGERSı REPORT

Terry Jackson provided a written and verbal report on Sanctuary activities.  Please see attached 
report.  (Attachment B).  Terry added that the MBNMS Water Quality Protection Program 
(WQPP) may be receiving some additional funding from Stan Wilson, Director of the National 
Ocean Service of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Ed Ueber, Manager of the Gulf of the Farallones National Marine Sanctuary (GFNMS) and the 
Cordell Bank National Marine Sanctuary (CBNMS), provided a verbal report on Sanctuary 
activities in the northern part of the MBNMS.  Highlights of the report are as follows:
… Terry and MBNMS staff met with the GFNMS staff to discuss programs and issues related 
to the northern boundary.  Preliminary work has begun on the Memorandum of 
Understanding between the two Sanctuaries.  Office space at Francis Beach was also 
considered and there were positive discussions with the State Parks representatives. As per 
direction from SRD, the MBNMS needs a visitors area and an office in Half Moon Bay.  
The office will be jointly staffed by both Sanctuaries.
 With respect to office space for the MBNMS, Council members commented that Santa 
Cruz still needs to be considered as a site for a MBNMS office as there are strong public 
sentiments to this effect and, because Santa Cruz contains major educational, tourist, 
business, and research constituents.  The Advisory Council directed that the topic 
of satellite offices for the MBNMS be an agenda item for the next meeting.
… The Gulf of the Farallones National Association plans to start renovating space for a 
GFNMS visitors site in Pacifica.    
… Ed Ueber and Terry Jackson will be attending the Sanctuary Managers Coastal Zone 
Meeting, April 14-18, 1997 in Washington, DC.
… The Gulf of the Farallones Assc. and Save Our Shores beach walk and clean-up is 
scheduled for Saturday, April 5, 1997 in Half Moon Bay.
… There will be an Sanctuary Education Panel meeting on May 8 at the Marine Mammal 
Center, the Marin Headlands Center, and GFNMS.


X.	DISCUSSION: SAC MEETING FORMAT 

A detailed discussion was held regarding the most productive meeting format and future 
schedule.  The Chair indicated that the current six-week schedule was confusing to the public 
and had created difficulty in achieving a quorum.  She suggested either more frequent monthly 
meetings -- as in the past, but with shorter hours -- or - alternatively, full day Council sessions 
on a quarterly basis.  After some debate, the Council concurred to meet the first Friday of every 
other month beginning in February and that the new schedule be effective immediately.  The 
next meeting of the Council will be Friday, June 6, 1997 in the Hudson House 
at Pt. Lobos State Reserve.

Advisory Council members requested that the agenda be carefully prepared and tailored to 
assure more effective meetings and management of Council membersı time.  Moreover, the 
Council requested that the most important topic items be placed first on the agenda and that 
speakers have a clear understanding of what they are to be presenting and how much time has 
been allotted to them.  The Council requested that whenever possible, meeting materials be sent 
at least 30-days in advance. 

The Chair emphasized the need for all Council members to commit to attend the entire meeting.

Given the decision on a meeting schedule, Tami Grove suggested that the Strategic Planning 
Subcommittee meet in the near future to draft an issues calendar to aid the Council plan for 
timely discussions and action items.  Topics such as the MBNMS budget, research issues, 
education, and conservation issues could be addressed in a more pro-active manner.

XI.	WORKING GROUP REPORTS:

Written reports from the working groups -- the Research Activity Panel (RAP), the 
Conservation Working Group (CWG), and the Business and Tourism Activity Panel (BTAP) -
- were provided at the meeting and can be obtained from the Sanctuary office by contacting Ms. 
Jane DeLay at (831) 647-4246.  The Sanctuary Education Panel (SEP) written summary was 
provided immediately after the verbal report and is attached (Attachment C).

XII.	WATER QUALITY PROTECTION PROGRAM (WQPP)

A written and verbal report was presented.  The written report is available from the MBNMS 
office at the number given above.

XIII.	NEW BUSINESS

… The CWG addressed a letter to the attention of the Advisory Council Chair requesting that 
the RAP be directed to prepare a summary of existing data on the impacts to marine wildlife 
from underwater sound.  The RAP Chair agreed to include the request at the working 
groupıs next meeting.
… Council members requested that an update on the status of the kelp 
harvesting cooperative be added to the next meetingıs agenda and that a 
letter informing the cooperative of the Councilıs request for an update be 
sent in advance of the meeting.


XIV.	ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS

1. Steve Kimple -- There will be a Motherıs Day public event at the Elkhorn Slough National 
Estuarine Research Reserve from 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM;
 
2. Ed Cooper -- encouraged all Council members to write in support of the proposed 
underwater park; 
 
3. Dean Lee -- informed Council members that several boats had washed ashore but none had 
broken up or posed any threat to Sanctuary resources;
 
4. Joe Townsend -- A water taxi will soon begin business in Santa Cruz.  The twelve-person 
boat will shuttle passengers to popular areas in the Santa Cruz vicinity at a cost of about 
$8.00 per person;
 
5. Tami Grove -- The CCC has hired a new District Manager -- Mr. Charles Lester.  He is 
expected to begin working in early June.  Mr. Lester has significant experience with the 
coast; 
… The CCC is working with California State University, Monterey Bay in creating a Sea 
Camp modeled after NASAıs Space Camp.  A number of recent opportunities have made it 
possible to pursue this idea in more detail.  Sea Grant will sponsor a workshop later this 
year to more seriously consider the possibilities;
… The Santa Cruz County Fair wants to introduce an ocean theme into their county fair and 
they need ideas for this.  Council members are encouraged to contact Tami Grove if they 
have suggestions;
 
6. Terry Jackson -- briefed the Council on the status of the COLREG lines in the MBNMS -- 
the lines delineate Sanctuary jurisdiction at the harbors.  The City of Santa Cruz voluntarily 
adopted Sanctuary regulations for the nearshore area between the harbor entrance and Pt. 
Santa Cruz until MBNMS regulations can be amended to include the area in the Sanctuary.  
Moss Landing has adopted to maintain the Sanctuary/harbor boundary as currently defined.   
MBNMS jurisdiction then for Moss Landing Harbor ends at the line extending from the 
harbor entrance (seaward end of the north jetty) to the tip of the Moss Landing Marine 
Laboratories Pier.

The meeting adjourned at 3:30 PM


Respectfully submitted,


Jane M. DeLay
MBNMS Advisory Council Coordinator 

enc.:	Proclamation from the City of Monterey (Attachment A)
	Sanctuary Managerıs Report (Attachment B)
	Sanctuary Education Panel Written Report (Attachment C)

Sanctuary Advisory Council Meeting 4/4/97		FINAL Minutes




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