SAC Meeting Minutes
BAY NATIONAL MARINE SANCTUARY
February 4, 2005
Coast Santa Cruz Hotel
Santa Cruz, CA
Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS) Advisory Council met
on Friday, February 4, 2005, in Santa Cruz, California. Public
categories and government agencies were present as indicated:
State Parks: Dave Vincent
Large: Margaret Webb
Large: Mike Laffen
Large: Deborah Streeter
& Industry: Nancy Black
& Harbors: Brian Foss
Coastal Commission: Charles Lester
Dept. of Fish and Game: Paul Reilly
EPA: Russ Jeffries
Resources Agency: Brian Baird
Coast Guard: LT Deborah Darminio - ABSENT
following non-voting members were present as indicated:
Islands NMS: Chris Mobley-ABSENT
Gulf of the Farallones NMS: Julie Barrow
Cordell Bank NMS: Dan Howard-ABSENT
Elkhorn Slough NERR: Becky Christensen-ABSENT
Monterey Bay NMS: William Douros
present in audience:
CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, APPOINTMENT OF NEW SECRETARY, APPROVAL OF
FROM CITY OF SANTA CRUZ MAYOR MIKE ROTKIN
Mike Rotkin welcomed the Advisory Council to the City of Santa Cruz.
OF NEW SECRETARY
Pezzi, Recreation alternate nominated Kaitilin Gaffney, Conservation
primary, for the position of Advisory Council secretary. (Vote: unanimous
OF NEW MBNMS STAFF
Douros, MBNMS Superintendent, introduced Bridget Dobrowski, Agriculture
Water Quality Coordinator and Donna Meyers, Regional Water Quality Coordinator.
OF 10/1/04 DRAFT MEETING NOTES
Reilly, CA Dept of Fish and Game alternate, announced that he had submitted
editing changes to Nicole Capps, Advisory Council Coordinator, prior
to the meeting and asked the Advisory Council to please accept these
SAC adopted the minutes from the October 1, 2004 Sanctuary Advisory
Council meeting with Paul Reilly's editing comments.
introduced by Deborah Streeter
17 in favor, 0 opposed)
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA
Van Sommeran, Pelagic Shark Research Foundation, stated that
his organization works in the Elkhorn Slough NERR and at Ano Nuevo
Island. This is their 15th year in operation. He announced that he
would like to meet with Bill and would like to give a formal presentation
to the Advisory Council and the Research Activities Panel. Their website
drew the Advisory Council's attention to the new SIMoN mugs sitting
in front of them. He instructed everyone to take one home with them.
He also mentioned that the GFNMS Advisory Council has sent a resolution
to staff supporting the expansion of the MBNMS to include Davidson
ASSOCIATION OF MONTEREY BAY AREA GOVERNMENTS RECOMMENDATIONS ON MBNMS
welcomed Ralph Rubio, President of the Association of Monterey Bay
Area Governments (AMBAG) and Mayor of Seaside, to the advisory council
meeting. Mayor Rubio presented AMBAG's recommendations on the recruitment
of new advisory council members and explained AMBAG's reasoning for
Rubio thanked MBNMS staff for their work with AMBAG. He stated that
AMBAG thought their recommendations would accomplish increased stakeholder
input into the process of advisory council member input. He commented
that many of their recommendations have already been initiated. He
stated that the most contentious item was that of the economic disclosure
to the additional outreach efforts the MBNMS has made during the current
recruitment process, the Advisory Council decided they were comfortable
with AMBAG's recommendations considering steps have already been made
to move in the direction AMBAG has set forth in their recommendations.
The Advisory Council had a lively and interactive discussion with Mayor
Rubio about the value and need for a financial disclosure statement.
Advisory Council supported by consensus discussion filling out an economic
disclosure statement to be posted on the MBNMS website that identified
their formal affiliations relevant to the MBNMS and their currant employer(s).
Mayor Rubio thought this would be satisfactory. MBNMS staff will confer
with NMSP headquarters and then develop this economic disclosure form
and get them to the Advisory Council by email.
Rubio was acknowledged by Advisory Council Chair Deborah Streeter and
others for his efforts in trying to bridge the gaps between the MBNMS
staff, Advisory Council and AMBAG. The Advisory Council looks forward
to working with AMBAG in the future.
took this opportunity to clarify some confusion about whether or not
the Advisory Council recommended including the Davidson Seamount or
not. He explained that the staff will be seeking action from the Pacific
Fishery Management Council in April to prevent fishing activity on
the surface of the seamount and the water column below 3000
feet (but not the ocean surface where fishing presently occurs). He
explained that this is part of a comprehensive protection program to
reduce all threats. No one fishes on the surface of the Davidson Seamount
now, but they could attempt to in the future which would be very destructive
to corals and sponges.
FY05 BUDGET AND PLANS FOR THE YEAR
reviewed two spreadsheets, the first showing the breakdown of the
fiscal year 2005 budget and the other showing staff work priorities relating
to the Joint Management Plan Review. NMSP budget in FY05 is $51 million
for operations and $7 million for construction projects. MBNMS received
$3.4 million for operations and about $1 million for construction
projects. In 2005, staff will be concentrating heavily on 11 of the action
Jeffries, CA EPA primary, asked for information on the BWET program and
commented he would like coordinate that effort with the Regional Water
Quality Control Board (RWQCB). Bill stated that he would have the program
coordinator, who actually works for NMSP headquarters from the MBNMS
office, to contact him about giving a presentation to the RWQCB or its
John Laird, gave a presentation on recent California ocean initiatives.
He commented that the subcommittee that deals with resources
on to the Assembly side is friendlier to ocean and environmental legislation
than has been in the past. Resources have been cut back so much
that the CA Dept of Fish and Game has no money in this year's budget
to manage Fish and Game properties. He is looking to introduce a resources
bond measure the Assembly. He also authored a successful water
conservation stakeholders group. He is looking at proposing a bill
on delta resources and a bill to look at non-native species within
the Colorado River. He noted the implementation of one new bill and
existing legislation that will effect coastal issues: the California
Ocean Protection Act, which will set up a unified council for ocean
based programs; and the Marine Life Protection Act, which the state
has a multi-step process for implementing. Lastly, from state perspective
he stands ready to do anything to help with the inclusion of the Davidson
Seamount into the sanctuary.
Baird, CA Resources Agency, thanked Assemblymember Laird for his
commitment to oceans and coasts. He announced that Governor Schwarzenegger
had signed 7 strong bills: SB1459, AB471, AB1876, AB2093, AB2529,
SB512, AB2514. The governor has a firm commitment in the Marine Life
Protection Act. The state is leading the nation on ocean observation
systems. State is also doing a statewide Coastal Sediment Master
Plan. He also complimented Assemblymember Laird for his work on the
Sierra Nevada Conservancy bill.
Bekker, Tourism alternate, suggested a solution to repairing this budget
deficit. California is ranked very low in terms of promoting tourism.
For every dollar spent on tourism, we get seven dollars back. Assemblymember
Laird commented that he is looking for some kind of a win-win situation.
One thing that has worked along the coast is taking an increment of room
tax and earmarking it for tourism promotion and coastal protection. Coastal
protection seems to bring the majority of tourists to the coast.
Baird announced that March 21st is the first meeting of the California
Ocean Protection Council and on July 22nd the California Biodiversity
Council will hold an Ocean Economic Summit in Long Beach.
MBNMS SANTA CRUZ VISITOR CENTER
introduced the vision for the Santa Cruz Visitor Center and then
introduced Emily Reilly, Santa Cruz City Council member and past mayor;
Ceil Cirillo, City of Santa Cruz Redevelopment Agency and Ted Lillestolen,
NMSP Headquarters. Dawn Hayes and Stacia Fletcher introduced Thomas Hacker,
Thomas Hacker Architects, and Scott Horner, BIOS Consultants.
consulting team's presentation included their predesign work on buildings
and exhibitory, various concept designs of the Visitor Center building
and exhibitory. The evening before, the consultants held a public briefing
in Santa Cruz and gave a similar presentation. At that meeting, the public
provided several comments, which the team will consolidate and review.
total building area at the Fun Spot is 15,000 square feet, which will
not leave room for a parking lot. There are various public parking areas
within a short walking distance.
Council members had several questions including; how will the visual
and hearing impaired be accommodated? Will there be exhibits that can
change over time? What is the estimate of people capacity? What is the
estimated walk through time? How can the Advisory Council assist in securing
funding for the visitor center?
consultants will be looking to the MBNMS Staff for what they would
like to do in regards to ADA requirements. California's requirements
are much more stringent than the federal requirements. Pat Clark-Gray,
Education primary, offered the help of the ADA department within State
are plans to have an interactive audio/visual kiosk that will have
a lot of information. Also, there will be the touch pool, and a classroom
that can be converted when not in use.
consultants have estimated that the visitor center will accommodate approximately
320 people with an average of an hour to an hour and a half for walk
regards to funding, MBNMS staff will pursue as much as they possibly
can from the national level. The City of Santa Cruz has said it will
try to get congressional appropriations for the building. The MBNMS is
the lead in raising funds, including private funding for the exhibitory.
The National Marine Sanctuary Foundation has also expressed an interest
in helping raise funds for the exhibitory.
comment included a concern by a member from the Historic Preservation
Committee that the building not be a huge mass that will block the
view from the walking trail behind it. A University of California
at Santa Cruz represenative stated that the Chancellor is supportive
of the Visitor Center at the Fun Spot site and would like to see collaboration
between the MBNMS and the Seymour Discovery Center.
Advisory Council will send a letter to Dan Basta, Director of the
National Marine Sanctuary Program, stating they are encouraged by
the work done by everyone on the Santa Cruz Visitor Center and look
forward to meeting the challenges ahead, and they hope that funding
for the Santa Cruz Visitor Center will continue.
introduced by Stephanie Harlan, seconded by Chris Harrold
17 in favor, 0 opposed)
VISITOR CENTER SITE
Advisory Council walked across the street to the Fun Spot, future
site of the MBNMS Visitor Center, and discussed the Visitor Center
possibilities on-site with the consultants.
NORTHERN MANAGEMENT AREA (NMA)
ON JOINT MBNMS/GFNMS DECEMBER 3 MEETING
Council members had many good comments about the Joint MBNMS/GFNMS
Advisory Council meeting in December. The meeting venue was a great location,
but the meeting room was small. Some mechanism to ensure mingling amongst
the advisory councils would be good. The idea of a field trip should
be looked at for the next meeting. It would also be good to hear less
reporting to and more discussion between the advisory councils.
Wilson and Bob Breen, GFNMS Advisory Council, commented that the information
given at the meeting was very valuable and that GFNMS received the
reports they were looking for. The liaisons attending each meeting
will be helpful in communication between the two advisory councils.
Shimek, Conservation alternate and liaison to the GFNMS Advisory Council,
updated the MBNMS Advisory Council on relevant items from the recent
GFNMS Advisory Council meeting. He commented that they really wanted
to support the MBNMS with their resolution regarding the inclusion
of the Davidson Seamount into the MBNMS.
received a great presentation by staff from the California Academy
of Sciences. They have developed great ways to include the Channel
Islands NMS and the Gulf of the Farallones NMS into their exhibits,
but had no mention of the MBNMS.
GFNMS Advisory Council discussed the ATOC cable. They noted that the
cable had a good purpose, which has now passed. GFNMS has picked up
the MBNMS recommendation that it be removed, and it will be.
was asked what has been happening with jet skis in that area? Steve
commented that there hasn't been much conversation about it at all.
The GFNMS Advisory Council acknowledges that it is an issue, but they
haven't grappled with it yet. Mike Laffen, At-large primary, commented
that the Mavericks Surf competition would be a paddle in event this
year instead of tow in. They are no longer waiting for the big surf
days to have the competition.
commented that it might be good for the MBNMS Advisory Council to receive
a presentation on the proposed boundary expansion by Congresswoman
Lynn Woolsey at their next meeting.
WORKING GROUP FOLLOW-UP
Harrold, Research primary and Research Activities Panel (RAP)
chair, presented the advisory council with the new RAP mission statement
and protocols. In summary, the RAP will restructure its membership
along the lines of issues and marine communities, rather than by institution.
It felt that this better aligned with the revised management plan.
Advisory Council supports the process that the Research Activities
Panel has developed.
introduced by Dave Vincent, seconded by Gary Pezzi
17 in favor, 0 opposed)
Clark-Gray, Sanctuary Education Panel (SEP) chair, explained that the
SEP is not as formal as the RAP, but that seems to work for them. It
was asked if they had considered having a meeting on a Saturday so
teachers who cannot attend during the week can attend once. Pat stated
the SEP had thought of that, but most people weren't willing to give
up their weekends. It was also commented that they need to be sure to
reach out to the various offices of education.
Gaffney, Conservation primary and Conservation Working Group (CWG)
chair, commented that their policies are posted on the MBNMS website,
but they do need to review them because they are somewhat out of date.
They do have formal members, institutional members and at-large, and
someone has to be a member in order to vote. Currently they have fifteen
members and their terms are indefinite. They have not made it mandatory
to attend a certain amount of meetings. They try to reach consensus
when possible. The majority views get forwarded to the Advisory Council
or to the Superintendent, but the minority view is left up to that
person to express themselves to the advisory council.
Bekker, Business and Tourism Activities Panel (BTAP), stated that the
panel is currently in the process of reinventing itself. They are currently
in a transitional state. They have tried moving the meeting venue from
Moss Landing to Santa Cruz and Monterey. By doing that, they ended
up with three separate BTAP's. Now they are meeting by email. They
have been trying to excite people to attend, but it's a hard sell if
it isn't something that directly benefits them.
Saunders, Community and Public Relations Coordinator, commented that
having a BTAP might not be the right tool. Instead, maybe they attend
the meetings with individual organizations and update them on sanctuary
issues and develop programs/projects that will get the word out about
Council member comments included: it may be time for the BTAP to go
away and there should be a staff person dedicated to communication
and partnerships with the business communities.
SAC CHAIRS COORDINATORS MEETING
explained that the items below were on the agenda for the Advisory
Council to provide her with guidance for the Advisory Council Chairs/Coordinators
meeting the following week.
Council comments included: aquaculture is being proposed in the open
ocean, which is detrimental to the fishing industry; any aquaculture
within the sanctuary should be sustainable; CA Dept of Fish and Game
has a plethora of regulations/policies plus a full time staff person
working on aquaculture; some forms of aquaculture involve catching
young and raising them, which can have adverse effects on what is being
done to try to stabilize the population; aquaculturists taking tons
of anchovies from where whales and salmon are feeding may be causing
fewer whales coming to that area to feed; there is a strong concern
that this issue really be looked at.
asked Paul Reilly if CA Dept of Fish and Game has any concerns regarding
aquaculture in the open ocean? Paul commented that he would find that
Seavey, Monterey Bay Abalone Company, wanted the Advisory Council to
understand that there were differences between aquaculture related
to shellfish, which is highly regulated by state of California, and
open ocean aquaculture.
Heigel, Elkhorn Slough NERR, stated we need to look at what percentage
of wild caught fish in being used as feed.
Council comments included: bioprospecting is pulling marine
life out of the ocean and testing them for bioactive compounds that
may be used as pharmaceuticals; the exploratory stage of bioprospecting
requires a permit from the Sanctuary, but the harvesting would not
(permits from other agencies may be required); kelp is currently collected
for a molecule that is used in beauty products; NOAA could benefit
from having a policy like that of the National Parks Service.
comment included: an emerging trend is small molecules, they are coming
from microbial roots from host organisms.
PEIDRAS BLANCAS BOAT GROUNDING
Kathey, Regulatory Enforcement Coordinator, provided a presentation
on recent boat groundings within the MBNMS and, in particular, highlighted
a recent grounding in San Simeon. Scott commented that there are 20-30
boat groundings/sinkings each year in the MBNMS with boats ranging
from 12-70 feet in size. There are multiple threats related to grounding,
such as, entanglement hazards, debris from vessels, impalement hazards
and spill hazards.
wanted to bring this particular grounding to the Advisory Council's
attention because of outstanding response by many agencies. Twelve
different agencies assisted with the salvage of this particular vessel
and more agencies were involved in the search and rescue of the crew.
Webb, At-large primary, and colleagues came out to the site to ensure
the elephant seals and those assisting in the salvage didn't get injured.
It was great having them there and it helped tremendously. PJ commented
that part of the great response was due to Michele Roest and her outreach
in the community.
ITALIAN MARINE PROTECTED AREAS
Douros gave an informative presentation on his six month detail in Italy
at the Genoa Aquarium. He described their system of marine protected
areas and how that system works for them. He explained that he will be
submitting a report to Dan Basta with recommendations on how the NMSP
can improve, things that we should not do and potential partnerships
ADVISORY COUNCIL MEMBER ANNOUNCEMENTS
Reilly, CA Dept of Fish and Game, announced the MLPA meeting in
Santa Cruz on February 16 from 6 p.m.-9 p.m. to receive public comment
on the location of the central coast study region and on February 22-23
the Blue Ribbon Task Force will be meeting in Monterey. The agenda
of the latter meeting will be on website.
Harlan, AMBAG primary, the City of Capitola received funds from the RWQCB's
Clean Water grant and they have developed a village drainage improvement
plan. They are looking at a dry weather diversion storm drain. The sanitary
district has been smoking storm drains. They are also looking into wetland
construction by Stackton Avenue bridge to treat the water.
Black, Business/Industry primary, mentioned that the Coast Guard has
a new inflatable boat that travels about 30-40 knots. They have been
using it to practice and have been going very fast through a gray whale
migration route. Possibly someone from the sanctuary could tell them
to slow down. Bill stated that he would get more specifics on the matter.
Bekker, Tourism primary, has been hosting meetings with hospitality and
restaurant folks regarding the new grease trap ordinance. At the last
meeting, there were about 30 attendees. The Advisory Council may want
to consider putting the new storm drain ordinance on a following agenda.
Clark-Gray, Education primary, passed around new Camp SeaLab brochures
and a new camping reservation guide for State Parks. She also announced
that there are new CA State Parks quick facts on the State Parks website.
Friends of Santa Cruz State Parks and State Parks has developed a new
program called Park Primer, it shows what is being offered by State Parks
Webb, At-large primary, sits on the Marine Interest Group (MIG) in
San Luis Obispo county and they have been diving into the MLPA process
with Dr. Dean Wendt. Dan Burman and Pam Hetherington, sit on a statewide
stakeholder group and provides the MIG with information. The MIG is
still struggling with membership. They used the Advisory Council as
a model when they first formed. She will provide an update in August
for Advisory Council.
Schmidt, Agriculture primary, thanked MBNMS sanctuary staff and Katie
Siegler for attending a flurry of erosion management classes. These
classes used to be voluntary until January 1st when they became mandatory
and are now done every 5-6 months, before it was done quarterly.
MEETING: APRIL 1, 2005
meeting adjourned at 4:34 PM
ended at 4:30 PM
Sanctuary Advisory Council Coordinator